Pentecostals, Papists & Apologists: Alex Sorin on Jay Dyer Show
In this episode of the Jay Dyer Show, host Jay Dyer interviews Alex Sorin, who shares his transition from Pentecostalism to Orthodox Christianity. Sorin reflects on the challenges he faced in reconciling personal experiences and scriptural interpretations within Pentecostalism, especially in the context of newer movements like the New Apostolic Reformation. The discussion delves into the theological implications of church authority, apostolic succession, and traditions, contrasting Orthodox practices, such as the veneration of saints, with Protestant views. Dyer and Sorin advocate for a deeper understanding of early church teachings and explore the importance of church history in shaping theological perspectives. The episode also addresses the debates over papal authority and the need for factual approaches in theological discourse.
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- Other speaker: His journey towards Calvinism began with observations about the practices and beliefs in Pentecostalism.“I was thinking about a career... I started turning back the clock and... going back.”
via Charismatic Christianity- Jay Dyer: He points out that some practices in Pentecostal gatherings resemble behaviors criticized in scriptural texts.“the charismatic churches operate sounds like the things that Paul's complaining about.”
- Jay Dyer: Protestants often misunderstand early church writings, thinking of figures like Augustine as their own without deeper context.“...there's just this assumption that, oh yeah, Augustine, he's our guy...”
- Jay Dyer: Clement not used by Roman Catholic apologists“Roman Catholic apologetics has dropped using Clement for many, many decades.”
- Alex Sorin: Alex explains his transition to recognizing the importance of relics.“I was like, okay, well, let's go through the New Testament.”
- Jay Dyer: Describes the tiered structure of authority in the church as seen with St. Paul and his authority over Timothy and Titus.“you do see like a distinction between three offices.”
Subjects
13Alex Sorin shares his perspectives on the transition from Pentecostal to Orthodox Christianity, particularly regarding veneration of relics.
Jay and Alex discuss the New Apostolic Reformation as an extreme sect within charismatic Christianity.
Jay critiques Roman Catholicism for its claim to supremacy that he argues is not demonstrated in historical actions of the church.
Jay mentions Alex's exploration of Michael Heiser's work as part of his journey towards understanding different theological perspectives, particularly divine council theology.
Jay Dyer discusses apostolic succession as a structure where authority is held in a tiered manner, mentioning that St. Paul had authority over St. Timothy and St. Titus, who in turn had authority over other clergy.
Jay mentions Augustine and his work 'City of God' in his and Sorin's exploration of early Christian teachings.
Jay refers to Calvinism as a significant theological framework that influenced Alex's understanding and reassessment of his previous beliefs.
Jay points out that Roman Catholic apologists have shifted away from using Clement as a basis for papal authority.
Jay discusses the significance of ecumenical councils in determining the authority of church decisions, specifically critiquing the Roman Catholic perspective.
Jay Dyer describes Orthodox theology as a balanced system that avoids the extremes of purely experiential or purely intellectual approaches.
Jay mentions Scott Hahn's book 'Marriage Supper of the Lamb' as influential in his understanding of liturgical argumentation.
Jay highlights Alex Sorin's engagement with St. Ignatius's writings on schisms within the Protestant movement.